Comments on: The ‘Ogy’ problem http://flux.futurelab.org.uk/2007/04/05/the-ogy-problem/ a blog hosted by Futurelab Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:06:10 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Drew Whitworth http://flux.futurelab.org.uk/2007/04/05/the-ogy-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1886 Drew Whitworth Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:48:08 +0000 http://flux.futurelab.org.uk/2007/04/05/the-ogy-problem/#comment-1886 When this came up in our meeting the other week I tried to think of the Greek word for "community" - eventually remembering it is of course "polis" so how about "POLIGOGY"? A silly coined word but one that maybe reflects the idea of learning being embedded in a community, whether proximate or diffuse, virtual, whatever. Mind you, Nigel then responded by observing that the ancient Athenian polis, for all that it espoused democratic principles, was exclusive in certain ways (no women, no slaves, no foreigners)... But that is true of all "communities" and the learner-generated contexts issue must also account for inclusion/exclusion. When this came up in our meeting the other week I tried to think of the Greek word for “community” – eventually remembering it is of course “polis” so how about “POLIGOGY”? A silly coined word but one that maybe reflects the idea of learning being embedded in a community, whether proximate or diffuse, virtual, whatever.

Mind you, Nigel then responded by observing that the ancient Athenian polis, for all that it espoused democratic principles, was exclusive in certain ways (no women, no slaves, no foreigners)… But that is true of all “communities” and the learner-generated contexts issue must also account for inclusion/exclusion.

]]> By: Fred Garnett http://flux.futurelab.org.uk/2007/04/05/the-ogy-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1780 Fred Garnett Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:07:46 +0000 http://flux.futurelab.org.uk/2007/04/05/the-ogy-problem/#comment-1780 I think the issue is deeper than that of the relationship between techno-savvy learners and subject-savvy practitioners. I have argued that we need to be aware of the pedagogy / andragogy / heutagogy continuum as a way of developing learners with both the curiosity and skill to take charge of their own, socially useful, learning. Repectively they should develop understandings of knowledge, negotiation and enterprise (creativity?). I taught this way for many years in Lewisham adding technologies into the mix as enabling devices as they came along and I found ways to use them. Students resisted this process at first because it wasn't familiar, but as a practitioner I found through negotiation, support and trust, over time, that I could empower them to be actors in their own learning. Maybe the dynamic that Rose talks of that is happening now, will enable a deeper understanding of socially useful learning strategies to develop, but it needs to be about more than just recuperating technology into the learning mix. I think the issue is deeper than that of the relationship between techno-savvy learners and subject-savvy practitioners. I have argued that we need to be aware of the pedagogy / andragogy / heutagogy continuum as a way of developing learners with both the curiosity and skill to take charge of their own, socially useful, learning. Repectively they should develop understandings of knowledge, negotiation and enterprise (creativity?). I taught this way for many years in Lewisham adding technologies into the mix as enabling devices as they came along and I found ways to use them. Students resisted this process at first because it wasn’t familiar, but as a practitioner I found through negotiation, support and trust, over time, that I could empower them to be actors in their own learning.
Maybe the dynamic that Rose talks of that is happening now, will enable a deeper understanding of socially useful learning strategies to develop, but it needs to be about more than just recuperating technology into the learning mix.

]]> By: Martin G.Smith http://flux.futurelab.org.uk/2007/04/05/the-ogy-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1769 Martin G.Smith Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:22:09 +0000 http://flux.futurelab.org.uk/2007/04/05/the-ogy-problem/#comment-1769 Hello Rose - Your posting sent my voracious band of knowledge seekers racing to the resident, though dated, hardbound OED, the 24 Volume version. The word which turned up most was analogy and its cousin, although granted not an ‘ogy’, metaphor. While it could be argued that the foregoing does not contribute to the quest, the fact that it got my crew thinking, is a point I do not ignore. My contention is, whatever turns on the quest for knowledge and sustains it beyond the oft analyzed attention span of our young is a valid endeavor. A quick glance at your home port shows you may have a lot more with which to stimulate learners, some far out in the nether reaches of the Highway of Light, yet the blink of an eye away. Hello Rose – Your posting sent my voracious band of knowledge seekers racing to the resident, though dated, hardbound OED, the 24 Volume version. The word which turned up most was analogy and its cousin, although granted not an ‘ogy’, metaphor.
While it could be argued that the foregoing does not contribute to the quest, the fact that it got my crew thinking, is a point I do not ignore.
My contention is, whatever turns on the quest for knowledge and sustains it beyond the oft analyzed attention span of our young is a valid endeavor. A quick glance at your home port shows you may have a lot more with which to stimulate learners, some far out in the nether reaches of the Highway of Light, yet the blink of an eye away.

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